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f1fan
08-18-2008, 02:19 PM
This is an interesting article from the ITV website. Valencia should be a very challenging track with lot's of action.

It has been 19 long years and Formula 1's first visit to Phoenix since a genuine new street circuit made its debut on the calendar – so it's not surprising so much excitement surrounds Valencia's new harbourside offering.

Sweeping around the streets of the picturesque Spanish port city, the inaugural race at the 3.4-mile venue represents a large step into the unknown for the grid with teams only able to gauge so much from even the most realistic computer simulations.

So what should we expect from this weekend? Itv.com/f1's expert analyst Mark Hughes takes a closer look...

Formula 1 makes its first visit to Valencia’s new street circuit this weekend and the technical and sporting demands should combine to produce a race of interest and incident.

At first glimpse the track looks similar in nature to Montreal, with lots of long high-speed straights followed by slow corners.

As such, it’s likely to be highly demanding of brakes.

There is never any question of the teams not being able to make brakes last; that’s the easy bit.

What is difficult is achieving an acceptable level of brake cooling with the minimum cost to the car’s aerodynamic performance.

Brake disc wear rates go exponential once a certain critical temperature – around 850C – is reached.

Repeated hard braking from very high speeds increases temperatures and keeping wear rates within check is all about having adequate cooling to the discs for whatever demands are being made of them by the circuit.

The way teams do this is to increase the size of the brake cooling ducts.

However, the ducts are sited right behind the front wing and increasing their size creates a blockage to the airflow over the wing – costing the car downforce, grip, drag and lap time.

The real trick is to get good brake cooling with minimal aerodynamic cost.

Ferrari has been at the forefront of using flush covers for its wheels to aid brake cooling.

If this has led to a more sophisticated flow, they might be able to improve brake cooling by increasing the size of the exit hole in the wheel cover rather than by making the inlet bigger.

If they were able to do this, it would cost them less in downforce.

On the other hand, the circuit’s collection of slow, short duration corners potentially spells trouble for Ferrari in qualifying.

Theirs is a car usually reluctant to get adequate temperature into its front tyres quickly enough for qualifying.

An out-lap is often insufficient preparation for them, and consequently their true potential is often not revealed until the race.

At tracks where passing is difficult, this trait often ruins Ferrari’s chances.

But the Valencia lap would seem to offer three genuine overtaking opportunities, so even if the red cars do qualify behind the McLarens, they may still be able to overtake if their race speed proves superior.

The slow corners should suit the McLaren’s ability to get its tyres quickly up to temperature and its superb traction.

Combine that with Lewis Hamilton’s ease with street circuits that demand a blend of commitment and precision, and they should be favourites for pole.

BMW Sauber’s Robert Kubica is another street circuit ace who might be expected to transcend his car in qualifying.

The run-off in a couple of places is quite marginal and at a couple of spots – notably the entry to the bridge – it’s quite conceivable to have a car hitting the concrete on the way in rather than on the exit.

As such there are likely to be safety car periods in the race. This inevitably brings a random element of luck into the outcome, as where you are relative to your refuelling window when someone else has an accident is a factor that can’t really be planned for.

Those fighting for the first three rows of the grid cannot afford the qualifying time penalty of a one-stop strategy – which would minimise your vulnerability to a safety car. Those further back could.

So, depending when the safety car periods come – and it really does seem to be a question of when rather than if – there could be a few unfavoured runners lucking into unlikely positions.

The track is unusual in comprising partly existing street surfaces and partly newly created purpose-built race track surface.

The contrast in the two types of surface is significant; from low grip to high, from crowns and cambers to level.

Repeated hard braking supported by 2000kg of downforce will likely lead to the ‘street’ surface braking areas becoming rippled, creating more potential for drivers to lose control under braking and therefore yet more potential safety car periods.

This one is going to have the pit crews every bit as much on edge as the drivers.

race1010
08-19-2008, 12:23 AM
Hmmmmm....is this the latest in the 'follow-the-leader' racing league? :rolleyes:

Watson Roadster
08-19-2008, 01:00 AM
I did'nt think F1 needed to put this sort of garbage on to survive.I expect it out of the B-League formula car series in North America,after all,they have little choice.F1 has many choices in Europe.I thought there was a perfectly good permanent road course in Valencia anyway?

race1010
08-19-2008, 07:08 PM
Let's all remember....the bottom line is all about the money! He who is willing (or stupid enough) to contribute to Bernie's bedroom escapade fund will be given the opportunity to put on a race....If Farmer Fred put up the money,, Bernie would run the cars through the barnyard! :rolleyes:

Cosworth
08-19-2008, 08:50 PM
He who is willing (or stupid enough) to contribute to Bernie's bedroom escapade fund...

I think it's Max who has/needs the bedroom escapade fund. ;)

But it's looking more like a courtroom retaliation fund now. :D

As for the money and who is willing to pay, it is true that Bernie will gladly take the large ransoms, but keep in mind Bernie makes most of his loot from the rights, deals, and advertising with broadcasting F1. It's all about making F1 more TV friendly (like wanting to move the Aussie GP to a later start for prime time) and more attractive for TV audiences with visually stunning events (night street races for Valencia and Singapore).

And stunning they should be. I look forward to seeing the two new events.

RJ

race1010
08-19-2008, 11:36 PM
I think it's Max who has/needs the bedroom escapade fund. ;)

But it's looking more like a courtroom retaliation fund now. :D

As for the money and who is willing to pay, it is true that Bernie will gladly take the large ransoms, but keep in mind Bernie makes most of his loot from the rights, deals, and advertising with broadcasting F1. It's all about making F1 more TV friendly (like wanting to move the Aussie GP to a later start for prime time) and more attractive for TV audiences with visually stunning events (night street races for Valencia and Singapore).

And stunning they should be. I look forward to seeing the two new events.

RJ

Opps, me bad! Thanks for the correction. :D

Jean Alesi
08-20-2008, 10:24 AM
I am surprised about the negative reaction to a new circuit.

I welcome it. Although I do want to see what the F1 guys can do because the videos I have seen there doesn't seem to be much places to pass and the circuit doesn't "look fast". However seeing the F1 cars cross a bridge will be cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAzqDuWNa2M
(lap by an F3 car)

johnny
08-20-2008, 01:10 PM
This is going to be exciting! I can just see the carnage now.

Rossi46
08-20-2008, 01:40 PM
... the circuit doesn't "look fast". However seeing the F1 cars cross a bridge will be cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAzqDuWNa2M
(lap by an F3 car)

Average speed for the lap in the F3 car: 152.73 kph = 94.90 mph

Jean Alesi
08-21-2008, 09:22 AM
I understand that F3 is a lot slower so it will be interesting to see this weekend.

bolts
08-21-2008, 10:04 AM
An F1 car hasn't even turned one lap in competition yet and already the circuit is being criticized. Awesome. :rolleyes:

Lets see how the race weekend actually goes first, shall we?

Rossi46
08-22-2008, 10:15 AM
Average speed for the lap in the F3 car: 152.73 kph = 94.90 mph

Today, Free Practice #2, Kimi Raikkonen:
Average speed was 196.870 kph = 122.329 mph ... ;)

Au Rouge
08-23-2008, 10:45 PM
Let's all remember....the bottom line is all about the money! He who is willing (or stupid enough) to contribute to Bernie's bedroom escapade fund will be given the opportunity to put on a race....If Farmer Fred put up the money,, Bernie would run the cars through the barnyard! :rolleyes:

Ahhhh, I think farmer Fred's is nascar country, as long as the dirt road turns left only, and they can use his the barn roof as banking.

Jean Alesi
08-24-2008, 05:05 PM
Wasn't that a great parade this morning? :rolleyes:

Watson Roadster
08-24-2008, 05:41 PM
Unless it's the money...I have to ask...

Why would Formula 1 put on a silly street parade?I completely understand why this happens in North America because very few are really interested in formula car racing in North America,but,F1 rules the roost in Europe.And there are so many courses that could hold an F1 race!

I just don't get it?Street parades are almost always garbage.When the ITV guys are saying it's a snoozefest,and they are some of the biggest F1 honks there are,you know it was bad!

Au Rouge
08-24-2008, 09:49 PM
Unless it's the money...I have to ask...

Why would Formula 1 put on a silly street parade?I completely understand why this happens in North America because very few are really interested in formula car racing in North America,but,F1 rules the roost in Europe.And there are so many courses that could hold an F1 race!

I just don't get it?Street parades are almost always garbage.When the ITV guys are saying it's a snoozefest,and they are some of the biggest F1 honks there are,you know it was bad!

The biggest snoozefests are nascar ovals and their contrived finishes,full course yellows every time someone farts, to ensure close racing. Minimal speed differential, no racing in the rain, and banked curves so steep you have to maintain 100kmph to keep from sliding down to the infield. And you
have to ask why a street circuit. Why go to different restaurants and eat different cuisine, when you can always go to McDonald's

Jean Alesi
08-24-2008, 11:27 PM
I just hope Singapore won't be like that. Of course even if it is at least it will be a parade at night!

I am an F1 fan but I just haven't seen anything exciting since the German GP this year.

Bring on Spa to cheer me up :p

http://static.blogo.it/motorsportblog/spa_01.jpg

Rossi46
08-25-2008, 02:23 PM
I think the track isn't too bad, it is just the fact that Formula 1 has become very very boring. Not worth getting up early in the morning anymore.

Watson Roadster
08-25-2008, 06:49 PM
The biggest snoozefests are nascar ovals and their contrived finishes,full course yellows every time someone farts, to ensure close racing. Minimal speed differential, no racing in the rain, and banked curves so steep you have to maintain 100kmph to keep from sliding down to the infield. And you
have to ask why a street circuit. Why go to different restaurants and eat different cuisine, when you can always go to McDonald's
Uh...You won't get any argument from me about the COT version of NASCAR,and I'm not really interested in debating the subject with you.I just don't know why F1 has to go to a silly rpetend race course,when there are plenty of good permanent courses to go to?If the Spanish crowds were so good,why was'nt Jerez considered?I realize that Jerez has been a tough draw before,but that was before there was a Spanish world Champion.